{"id":1788,"date":"2016-03-05T00:07:36","date_gmt":"2016-03-05T00:07:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/?p=1788"},"modified":"2016-03-08T13:23:50","modified_gmt":"2016-03-08T13:23:50","slug":"isaiah-63-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/isaiah-63-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Isaiah 63."},"content":{"rendered":"<a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-share synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Share on Facebook\" href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788&#038;t=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.&#038;s=100&#038;p&#091;url&#093;=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788&#038;p&#091;images&#093;&#091;0&#093;=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2FFather-Spirit-Son-e1457136163787.jpg&#038;p&#091;title&#093;=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;margin-right:5px;\"><img alt=\"Facebook\" title=\"Share on Facebook\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-share\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/facebook.png\" \/><\/a><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-share synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-mail nolightbox\" data-provider=\"mail\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Share by email\" href=\"mailto:?subject=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.&#038;body=You%20will%20find%20this%20very%20interesting:%20https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;\"><img alt=\"mail\" title=\"Share by email\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-share\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/mail.png\" \/><\/a><p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1790\" src=\"http:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/trinity-2-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"trinity 2\" width=\"194\" height=\"194\" \/>The Old Testament uses several words and names for God and many of them have connections to Jesus (YHWH) and to the idea of a trinity or multi-unity(Elohim\/Adonai). But <strong>Isaiah 63 goes a step further unpacking \u00a0three distinct qualities of God.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The chapter starts by asking a question. &#8220;<em>Who is this who comes from Edom<\/em>&#8220;, Isaiah 63:1. Now Edom was the nation descended from Esau, but prophetically Edom often stood for &#8220;Adam&#8221; or doing things by human effort, in Hebrew Edom is Adam with an extra letter, &#8220;\u05d0\u05e8\u05d5\u05dd&#8221; instead of &#8220;\u05d0\u05e8\u05dd&#8221; (see coming post on Obadiah). Note: Bozrah was a place the name means an &#8220;Enclosure&#8221; but comes from a word meaning &#8220;to be cut off&#8221; which was used for grape picking, see the following verses).<\/p>\n<p>It goes on to describe this human as having &#8220;<em>crimson garments<\/em>&#8220;, &#8220;<em>majestic apparel<\/em>&#8220;&#8230; but they speak like God&#8230; &#8220;<em>It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save<\/em>&#8220;. Isaiah then asks: &#8220;<em>Why is your apparel red?<\/em>&#8221; (v2), and is told that the God-man that he has seen has \u00a0trodden the wine press\u00a0alone with no-one else to help. He describes the incident as both &#8220;<em>a day of vengence<\/em>&#8221; and &#8220;my <em>year of redemption<\/em>&#8221; (v4).<\/p>\n<p>The imagery gets complicated &#8230; because God describes punishing humanity &#8230; though in Jesus it is God who is taking humanities punishment, though that is not clear here. Neither is it the subject of this post&#8230;but what comes next is.<\/p>\n<p>So, having mentioned YHWH&#8217;s lovingkindness and goodness (v7), \u00a0we are told that &#8220;He&#8221; (YHWH and\/or the one from Edom\/Adam?) became the peoples &#8220;<strong>Saviour<\/strong>&#8220;, (v8), and is afflicted in &#8220;<em>all their afflictions<\/em>&#8220;, (v9 though some translations use a different phrase). This Saviour is then called the &#8220;<em>messenger of His presence<\/em>&#8221; (the Hebrew for &#8220;<em>angel<\/em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>messenger<\/em>&#8221; are the same word &#8220;Malak&#8221;\/&#8221;\u05d8\u05dc\u05d0\u05da&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p><strong><br \/>\nA human-divine Saviour clothed in crimson stained by the lifeblood of humanity&#8217;s punishment\/redemption, experiencing thier affliction is sounding very like Jesus, the Son of God.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1791 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Father-Spirit-Son-246x300.jpg\" alt=\"Father Spirit Son\" width=\"246\" height=\"300\" \/>Then the <strong>Holy Spirit\/Spirit of YHWH<\/strong> is mentioned three times over the next five verses in relation to the &#8220;Him&#8221; of the previous section. &#8220;they grieved <strong>His Holy Spirit<\/strong>&#8221; (v10); &#8220;where is <strong>He<\/strong> who put <strong>His Holy Spirit<\/strong> in the midst of them\/<strong>Him<\/strong>&#8220;, (v11, note if your translation says &#8220;them&#8221;, the Hebrew actually says &#8220;Him&#8221;); &#8220;<strong>The Spirit of YHWH<\/strong> gave them\/<strong>Him<\/strong> rest&#8221;, (v14, see note on v11).<\/p>\n<p><strong>So the Holy Spirit is His Spirit and YHWH&#8217;s Spirit!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Finally Isaiah goes on to declare: &#8220;You are our <strong>Father<\/strong>&#8220;, \u00a0and &#8220;You, YHWH are our <strong>Father<\/strong>&#8220;, (v16). The verses finishes by calling YHWH Father, &#8220;Our Redeemer&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>This time YHWH is the Father!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In this single chapter we see YHWH called<strong> Father, Spirit and Saviour.\u00a0<\/strong>In this strangely ambiguous passage where we see God taking the punishment he dishes out, redeeming people while punishing humanity, the Trinity appears as more than just a hint of plurality. It is revealed with different dimensions: <strong>Father, Spirit, Son.<\/strong><\/p>\n<a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-follow synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Follow us on Facebook\" href=\"https:\/\/facebook.com\/jesuscentred\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;\"><img alt=\"Facebook\" title=\"Follow us on Facebook\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-follow\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/facebook.png\" \/><\/a><br\/><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-share synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Share on Facebook\" href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788&#038;t=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.&#038;s=100&#038;p&#091;url&#093;=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788&#038;p&#091;images&#093;&#091;0&#093;=https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2FFather-Spirit-Son-e1457136163787.jpg&#038;p&#091;title&#093;=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;margin-right:5px;\"><img alt=\"Facebook\" title=\"Share on Facebook\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-share\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/facebook.png\" \/><\/a><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-share synved-social-size-16 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-mail nolightbox\" data-provider=\"mail\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"Share by email\" href=\"mailto:?subject=Father%2C%20Son%20and%20Holy%20Spirit%20in%20Isaiah%2063.&#038;body=You%20will%20find%20this%20very%20interesting:%20https%3A%2F%2Fjesuscentred.org%2Fe%2Fwp-json%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F1788\" style=\"font-size: 0px; width:16px;height:16px;margin:0;margin-bottom:5px;\"><img alt=\"mail\" title=\"Share by email\" class=\"synved-share-image synved-social-image synved-social-image-share\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" style=\"display: inline; width:16px;height:16px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: none; box-shadow: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-content\/plugins\/social-media-feather\/synved-social\/image\/social\/regular\/32x32\/mail.png\" \/><\/a>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Old Testament uses several words and names for God and many of them have connections to Jesus (YHWH) and to the idea of a trinity or multi-unity(Elohim\/Adonai). But Isaiah 63 goes a step further unpacking \u00a0three distinct qualities of God. The chapter starts by asking a question. &#8220;Who is this who comes from Edom&#8220;, <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/isaiah-63-trinity\/\">Read More &#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":1791,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[6,41,1],"tags":[57],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1788"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1788"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1788\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1795,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1788\/revisions\/1795"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1791"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1788"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1788"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jesuscentred.org\/e\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1788"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}